hi, I noticed your post was from over a year ago, but I just read it and wanted to check in with you regarding the linkage of Nancy Ward -- Catherine McDaniel -- Granny Hopper -- Old Hop -- Chief Moytoy. watts-figueroa christina weinberg denise west lucinda westbrook tabitha white jeffrey wheeler hamden Thank you. I am still a little confused on the wives an children. This thread says Robert is the son of Prachy, the son of A-nu-we-gi Moytoy, the son of Moytoy, the son of A-ma-do-ya. Thank you . For some, their families were ashamed of their indian heritage and made a point to hide it. Also related to Pocahontas. Elizabeth Judd was the daugther of Rowland Judd and Robin Moytoy/Cherokee. [2] She married twice, first to Arch Whitewater (1859-c.1890), their known children are: I have arched on ancestry.com that links it all. He was known as Standing Turkey Cornstalk the son of Big Turkey Cornstalk the grandson of Hokolesqua Opechan Cornstalk. James and his mother also descend from several of the old Cherokee warriors you noted in your vitriolic post, as do I, so if anyone should be ashamed, it's not me for my ancestors, but you for spreading ignorant, easily debunked lies. View Elizabeth Watts results in Mississippi (MS) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. The first documented trip made by Thomas Pasmere Carpenter occurred April 1640, sailing from Maryland to Barbados aboard the Hopewell, and returning on the Crispian in September 1640. . Sorry, no records were found for this exact name. Just asking! Regardez le Salaire Mensuel de Jeep Grand Cherokee Occasion Maroc en temps rel. We were all born in Oklahoma and are also Scottish, being Duncan on both sides of my mothers family. **Also known as Sally, Sookie, and Granny Hopper. I have found most of my info on Ancestry.com I know about as much as you! I have decided to treat my known ancestors of mixed and full blood with a 'this is what is possible' and not a definite 'this is how it is'. I am also related to Chota MoyToy would love to know more you are free to message me 5107126039, I am related to Amatoya MoyToy and Cornelius Doughtry. Initially, many emigrants worked with the various Nations, and intermarried without racist views. For all of you who want to prove Indian ancestry please take the time to read history books. 124 confirmed names, back to chief moytoy yet not accepted.if you have anything to help you can email me at karynbishof10@gmail.com, Hello, (very distant) cousin. I have found record of Elizabeth Judd married to Benjimin Pennell burried in Winkler cemetary in Boone, NC. There is a lot of back and forth on here. So I guess we are running into some "cousins" here. Her mother's name was Elizabeth Ah Ne Wa Kee Lucas birth-1784 Death-1822 Father's . I wonder, Cat, have you taken a DNA Test? This is often caused by various sources confusing people of the same name (Cherokees traditionally pass the same ceremonial name down along various branches of the family) so there are many Moytoys who are often confused, and relationships can be different according to different sources. 1725 in NC; died 1790 in Russell Co., VA.. . I can see why but I totally look Indian and am Cherokee, Choctaw, Shawnee. Born in Cherokee Nation East, Willstown, Jackson, AL on 1752 to Grey Eagle Willeeneewa and Kayhun Keyhum Techea. Also her parents were William David MCDANIEL b: 1726 in TNMother: Granuaille(*), (**) Su-Ki MOYTOY HOPPER b: 1725 in Chota, TN.. Granuaille Su-Ki MOYTOY HOPPER's parents were Chief Kana-gatoga MOYTOY, CALLED HOPPER b: 1690 in Upper Hiwasee, ChotaMother: Su-Gi (CHEROKEE, WOLF CLAN) b: 1695 in Chota, TN. And all the deuce dents on both Sides the McGees and Vann was denided clames. 2: I am trying to verify the name of John L Dean on the Dawes Rolls. I am a descendant of MoytoyI through his granddaught BlueSky Cornstalk who was Grandadughter of Amatoy's son Amatoy of Tellico. She married a George Booker. Elizabeth Watts, a Cherokee woman whose mother was born along the Trail of Tears, described the trek westward. Was your grandfather by chance from the Roby Community in Chester County, TN 38340 or surrounding area? The "provable dna" blood-ties via validated lineages and delineations only became re-defined during the time of Native American removal [Trail of Tears for example], and federal rolls for purposes of documenting the Nation, by the US Government, came into effect. We already know who our relatives are. My 9g-Grandfather. On the way, the Cherokee leaders were discussing among themselves whether to kill all the residents of the settlement, or just the men. He was a British interpreter for the Cherokees at Fort Loudoun (S.C.) in 1758 and at Augusta in 1763, and continued to fill that position at the 1770 treaty . says that he was born in Virginia, moved to North Carolina with his mother, and in May, 1785 at the age of 16 or 17 was forced to serve in the War by a step-father named Fielder. Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (1824-present), Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory (18391907), United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians (1939present), This page was last edited on 30 December 2022, at 05:30. thanks,Pam Treu pamtreu@gmail.com, Who was your Mother and her father? Maybe but my relatives still live in West Virginia that comes step by step of going to the moytoy. There are myriad original documents supporting my posted FACTS that were kept by the early Moravians, Indian agents, and military/widows' pensions for service in which the Cherokee participated. Born in Cherokee Nation East, Willstown, Jackson, AL on 1752 to Grey Eagle Willeeneewa and Kayhun Keyhum Techea. These ships were small and fast, often able to make the crossing from Scotland and Ireland in less than thirty days. Oh my goodness! Elizabeth states that her father was born in Monroe County, Tennessee and that her mother . It was very nice of you to write that. I know it run through my moms side but having trouble finding the information I need. Tail Sixkiller. 1815. The last thing you should be worried about is who is or isn't a real Cherokee. . With the defeat of the Western Confederacy at the Battle of Fallen Timbers by the United States, and the destruction of Nickajack Town and Running Water Town in September 1794, the leaders of the Lower Cherokee became convinced that continuing the war was futile. In 1792, Dragging Canoe died suddenly on March 1, 1792, but he had earlier said he wanted Watts to succeed him. I have a lot of information about our trees if you'd like to contact me at zevranroman@yahoo.com. I have found their entries on the Dawes Roll, but would like to know more about my G-grandmother Emma, as we believe she was of full-blood.Stephanie11, Tamara10, Roscoe Eugene9, JOHN8, YELL CLEMENT7, GEORGE W6, JAMES5 WARD, CATHERINE KATIE4 MCDANIEL, GRANNY3 HOPPER (Grasshopper), OLD HOP2 (Kanagatucko), A-MA-DO-YA1 MOYTOYAny help would be greatly appreciated! It is wonderful , because I have had an Indian Fedish ,for a Long time. It is an honor to finally connect to a past that was just beyond reach. Elizabeth Watts, also known as "Wurte" Watts, was the supposed mixed-blood daughter of John Watts, a British government interpreter [known as "Old Forked Tongue Watts"], who died in 1770.Her mother was a sister of "Old Tassel", "Doublehead" and "Pumpkin Boy". It shows him as 26 years old and his family card shows what I would guess is his wife and 3 children (a set of twins and another child). SOOKIE SUSANNAH Su'Gi "GRASSHOPPER" Moytoy is my 5th great grandmother on the opposite side of my family. What did Joseph Vann inherit? Watts led his first major action of the Cherokee-American wars in 1786 against the forces of the State of Franklin over their incursions into the territory of the Overhill Cherokee. Joseph Vann (Sephardhic Jew, not Cherokee at all) brought James Vann into the world with a Cherokee woman named Wahli. He seems to base his claim on the fact that Bob Benge, Sequoyah, and Talonteskee, known to be related, all lived in the same town at one point. It is not the amount of Cherokee you have, it is strictly about the Dawes Roll. Mahaley Parris #1225 on the Dawes Rolls. The peace party included Bob McLemore, Tahlonteeskee, Captain Charley of Running Water, and Doublehead, as well as the white delegates. Mrs. Elizabeth Watts A Biographic Sketch Route #2, Box 168, Muskogee, Oklahoma By L. D. Wilson, Field Worker Indian-Pioneer History Source of Information received from a . Hi Relatives!!! I am trying to find my possible connection to the Eastern Cherokee Nation. Her Wikitree profile lists four husbands and five children. Who was responsible for that? Youll get hints when we find information about your relatives. thanks again. even with all of the info, it means nothing to CN because they were not enrolled during the 7 years they require. Home; Our Practice; Services; What to expect. Read some real history, as it was prevalent among the 5ct. He lived 1848 until 1917. What a beautiful, interesting and insightful article! She is also said to have been the mother of George Gist, known by his Cherokee name, "Sequoyah", who is credited as creating the Cherokee alphabet and writing system. Elizabeth Watts Freelance Writer at Elizabeth Watts Professional and Educational Writer Canton, Georgia, United States 36 connections I wish there was a way to edit.after further consideration, I am actually a descendant of Old Hop, which appears in different accounts to have been adopted by Moytoy. (, https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0017.html#IND5015REF31, the marriage of Wurteh to Bloody Fellow is speculative but plausible.. I just was googling Attacullaculla's decendents and came across the name "Nancy Ward". My research has shown that Old hop Was considered cherokee his grandfather Thomas Corn planter Carpenter married a Shawnee woman who was adopted into the Cherokee. My last post. There is a Heather comment, which doesn't need any cleaning up as far as I am concerned. White men and women who married Cherokees are then considered to be a member of the tribe. You can find out more on RootsWeb, (Miller/Rider/Dees)Note* Granuaille means Grasshopper. Does anyone else connect to this tree, or have info on this line that they'd be willing to share? I am working on it! I can trace back to Chief Moytoy from her g.g. here are my direct lineal ancestors which have proved no avail. We are, at the least, distantly related. Any other tribes claiming to Cherokees are fake - not recognized through history, culture, etc. They had four children, 3 boys and a girl. there are more but this seems like the most likely common to be used, and its what you mentioned as well. I hate all the arguing on here. So, this character named Thomas Pasmere Corn Planter Carpenter was born in 1607 England and came over here and met a Shawnee woman named Pride somewhere around Jamestown, Virginia, took her back to England where they got married in 1553 and had two children together naming their son Trader and their daughter Pride, thus starting the Cherokee tribe. 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